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IPv6 support

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As a Server Administrator, I want IPv6 support, so that I can deal with the limited allocation of IPv4 address.


The idea of IPv6 has been growing in popularity for many years now with reports of an impending shortage of IPv4 addresses for the same amount of time.


Especially in Europe this impending shortage is a growing concern. One thing to keep in mind is that the shortage isn't IPv4 addresses themselves it is the IPv4 allocations of said addresses.


This is a feature that has been migrated over from the cPanel Forums. All previous comments and discussions concerning this feature can be located at:

http://forums.cpanel.net/showthread.php?t=90657

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The implementation of IPv6 native support should be a priority.

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This is inevitable. Not only that, the shortage of IPv4 addresses is already a reality.

ISP's (at least in Portugal) are already shipping IPv6 enabled routers to costumers.

The sooner it's implemented, the better we can prepare.

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IPv6 implementation was first brought up with cPanel 6 years ago I believe, and still it's not there. With no more IP's available for allocation in the APNIC region, the fastest expanding region digitally, we are being suffocated by the lack of support for IPv6.


It's a component we needed yesterday, but there appears to be no resolution in sight.

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This feature should now be a priority for many years because without IPs there are no servers. Right now IPv6 is not something that's going to take a few years but an immediate need for the IPv4 already sold out!

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"Under consideration"?


Come on guys, this should be top priority. Yes it should. Because the sooner IPv4 can be deprecated, the better. Well, in one word: scalability.


Fill in the questions yourself.

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Industry experts are looking for reasons why IPv6 has limited uptake, its because there is limited content. The culprits are those like cPanel that procrastinate because of perceived lack of demand. Lets just get this clear, i don't give a damn about fancy new WHM interfaces and your 200 other new features; concentrate on IPv6 and just get it finished finally!

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Under the old Feature Requests system, IPv6 used to be "Planned for 11.36". I say that's the latest you can go, seeing that 11.34 is already here. Make this the #1 issue you intend to support, because IPv6 connectivity is becoming more vital day by day, week by week, month by month!

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IPv4 is so expensive. OVH practically give away IPv6, you get 64 with a new server and ONE IPv4.

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Reskinning WHM is easy, but completely unimportant. IPv6 is hard, but utterly vital.

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This feature is supposed to be making it into 11.36 the last I heard but the roadmap that mentioned it in no uncertain terms seems to have a disappeared.


For anyone who isn't familiar with this request, it's been open for EIGHT years.


See http://forums.cpanel.net/f145/make-cpanel-ipv6-compatible-case-10334-a-35453-p9.html


Cpanel being as widely used as it is this is one of the main reasons for pitiful uptake, if the content is not available (running on Cpanel servers) then the users can't spur adoption and we end up where we have been for the last 13 years...nowhere.


Should Cpanel implement IPv6? It's a simple choice..


Either you add it or your company dies.

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Just got full IPV6 support for my office ADSL, hope cPanel will update the ETA on this soon ! :)

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I just had to get two Plesk Panel licenses just because cPanel lacks IPv6 support. What I wouldn't give to avoid sending any money to Parallels! IPv6 support should indeed be cPanel's number one priority! I can't think of anything more urgent than this right now..

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This indeed should be highest priority.


IPv6 works already on DirectAdmin for years.

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"Our goal is to complete IPv6 support by version 11.36 of cPanel & WHM."


http://cpanel.net/ipv6_implementation_update/

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Red Ranger Hosting wrote:

"Our goal is to complete IPv6 support by version 11.36 of cPanel & WHM."

http://cpanel.net/ipv6_implementation_update/

And what the ETA for 11.36?

The post is 1.5 years old..

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We were once told to expect 11.36 at the end of 2011..

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In my opinion IPv6 support should have implemented before the fancy UI's in 11.34. It's critical that IPv6 support be implemented as soon as possible, and should be given priority in the next release.

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Not that I diagree that we need IPv6 ASSAP to defend cPanel on this one, its probably not the same people who do the design implementation and who do I IPv6 support. Also IPv6 support has already started being implemented, with each new version they have been adding pieces that will make the final working system.


What I'm upset about is the fact that cPanel has moved from the forums to this new system and seems to have completly limited and abandoned us.


When will cPanel employ a replacement for David ? When will we know what is planned for 11.36 ? When will the features that were planned for 11.34 be implemented ? When will you allow me to post new feature requests again (blocked because of the new stupid limitation of 10 votes every two months…) ?

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Hiya!


I am Travis Ellis, a Technical Product Specialist at cPanel.


We can never replace David. He was a beloved member of the community and company. He wore many hats and worked with the company so long that he became intrenched in many aspects.


Regarding the release of features and timelines. We recently talked about the changes to the release cycle at cPanel. The first is the move to a three times a year release cycle. The next is the concept that cPanel will not commit to a feature on a specific version until the feature is finished. This prevents a feature from delaying the release of other features.


We are still fine tuning the Feature Request system, we have some changes we are developing right now. When these are available it should help alleviate some of your issues.


Thanks!

Travis

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I'm not looking for cPanel to commiting to a feature but would like very much to know what features might make it to the next release, maybe a sort of priority list so we can at least get some sort of idea of what might be implemented.


Of course you can't replace David but he used to update feature requests ETA on a regular basis that meant we had a idea of what would be comming out next. When a feature couldn't make it out in time he simply changed or removed the ETA.


I don't see what is complicated about doing this as well as having someone who regularly participates in the feature requests section, gives his oppinion, asks questions etc, but for this to work you would need to have someone paid to spend time in this section, maybe not 6 hours a day but at least 2 or 3 hours.


I'm very disapointed about the limitation of the number of votes, I rearly don't get your idea of how someone could spam votes or create noise. I get the idea of a vote meaning "I love" but this means you have removed the ability to say "I like", on the forums a +1 meant I like, I would like to have this ability back.

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I feel that CPanel should not feel "threatened" to commit to a release cycle.


3 releases a year? This would mean that according to original projections, you should have IPv6 rolled out by .36 or .38. Alright.


Tell us when you currently aim to implement it, flag it as such, and if you find that it doesn't make the cut, change it.


Waiting until release .38 to tell it it's coming at .40 is not a solution - It will simply drive people to think CPanel does not care about X or Y feature.


And well - I can't blame them, especially on some features which have been requested...forever (IPv6, clone server, some others) you have taken some sweet time to take them forward, much more than would be normally anticipated for a major vendor releasing 2-3-4 major versions per year.


I like the new WHM, but there are better priorities out there, y' know...

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I just wanted to voice my opinion on the fact that I find it absolutely absurd that this feature still isn't implemented (and the same goes for a variety of other feature requests that people have been requesting for years). It's almost 2013 and you don't have IPv6 support, nor a clear ETA.


Travis Ellis: I must say that I find your response in this topic outright rude. You respond to this matter while completely ignoring everyone's concerns. At this stage, nobody cares about release cycles if that doesn't specifically define what can be expected. And nobody cares about a new interface. Everyone cares about their business continuity (which relies on IPv6).


The internet has arrived to a stage where end-users are demanding IPv6 support for their websites. Everyone saw that coming many years ago, and cPanel should have acted upon that a long time before it became relevant. But the opposite is true: it currently is more than relevant and still cPanel doesn't address this matter by committing to a specific release date (yes cPanel, you owe that to your customers). If this were a feature that came out of the blue, it may have been a different story - but you could've seen this one coming for ages.


I have been a huge cPanel fan/partner for more than 10 years now, but right now this has come to a point where I can just no longer defend/recommend cPanel as the best control panel out there. No matter what arguments I bring up in a discussion, as soon as anyone brings up IPv6 (or any other feature that's being requested for years), cPanel just loses.


At this point, as a partner, I demand that you commit to your clients' interests and specify a date on which we can expect IPv6 support, so we can plan accordingly. The alternative is that we switch to a better alternative.

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Greetings,


Support for IPv6 is prioritized for delivery during 2013. Adding support for this protocol requires making fundamental changes to cPanel & WHM. A sample of some of the changes planned are:


* Support for cPanel accounts having multiple IP addresses (multiples of IPv6 and IPv4).

* New privileges (ACLs) so Resellers can perform basic IP management on accounts they own (think Change Site's IP Address)

* Improved IP Delegation that scales from a single IP address to a /64 (which is 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 addresses)

* User Interfaces that currently accept IPv4 addresses will be updated to work with IPv6 addresses


Please keep the discussion here focused on what needs prioritized to support IPv6. Our interest is in identifying the simplest things needed to get IPv6 functionality in your hands sooner, versus later.

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Yeah just tried buying an IP with one of the largest webhosts, Liquid

Web. Was 2.00 month.. now 5.00! That is insanity. They said IPv6 would

be free and are ready to support it.. except.... CPANEL doesn't support

it! Seriously, this needs to be top priority. Hopefully you realize that

what is holding up all the webhosts from being able to offer their

customers lower costs is you. You put out great stuff so hope to see

this real soon.

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Hi Kenneth,


Thank you for your response and explaination.


Do you have a more exact date then 2013?


I hope to see this feature really soon, because we are also running out of IPv4 addresses and more and more Dutch accessproviders and ISP start supporting IPv6


So please cPanel get us out this Virtuous circle that we can also support IPv6 100%

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Hopefully quickly realized

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I would like to add at this point of time that i find the 'new requests system' very lacking compared to the previous one.


Initially, it seemed like it would be a good choice, but now you have converted all major requests to "Open Discussion" status, which is not exactly the point of having a request system like this.


Open discussion can happen in a forum very well. A system like this needs to have something more apart from counting...votes for a feature. Features in the top-5 of votes are apparently most important to people interacting with CPanel servers, and you should not tag them as "Open Discussion" but rather as "Expected in XX.YY release".


Before you do that, I don't think anyone actually believes you care about feature A or feature B, especially in cases such as IPv6 which has been available for many years now and you elected not to touch it with a 10-feet pole until several regions in the world actually started having problems with IPv4 depletion and / or severely limited availability or higher pricing.


I am the first to commend CPanel on your excellent support and customer care, but in terms of product management and features life-cycle you could use a lot of work and commit to features in a firm manner, unlike your current "nonchalant" approach... Just a thought (relevant to the issue at hand), here.

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Travis,


I find it hard to believe that cPanel are still yet to implement IPv6. We need to know:


When is this mythical version 11.36 likely to become reality, and when will customers be able to actually use their IPv6 allocations with your software?


You posted a reply a month ago yet avoided questions regarding the actual topic.

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With 11.35 into EDGE this week, and subsequent 11.36 CURRENT release weeks later, does this mean Full IPv6 Support has been pushed back further? It was slated as for 11.36 for a couple of years, but it's conveniently missing from the "feature highlights".


Please tell me it isn't so?

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Hi,


cPanel must support IPv6 in all services (dns, apache, exim) and support for Tunnel Broker, like hurricane electric


the all support, in mi opinion, must have finish this year... and YES.. that is talk about a new cPanel because cPanel Inc must change a lot a lot of thing to support in all services.. is A LOT OF WORK.


Support to IPv6 in ALL services and ACL

Support to Tunnel Broker

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Lack of IPv6 support in cPanel has actively kept me from considering cPanel as a viable product for some shared servers we manage for the past 5 years. We will not be able to consider cPanel as a means of letting our customers manage our dual-stack hosting environment until all services (DNS, HTTP, IMAP/SMTP) are supported.


We will not be forfeiting the functionality of our dual-stack environment just to use cPanel, despite its ubiquitous use in the hosting industry.

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Yes, it is really time that IPv6 support is included.

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I guess above statements make one thing clear, cPanel you made promises and you did NOT keep them, we are now in 2013 and still no IPv6 even though the need of the implementation is known for so long already, all kind of smoke screens have been put up in the past, blaming it on everything but cPanel, needed changes in the backend (and now the new WHM layout does not contribute to this, its really not as nice as you claim, and the old worked quite well, i really do not understand why this had a higher priority as Ipv6), but the fact is that competitors did implement IPv6 (in some form) already and you stay behind. That is a way to loose trust of your customers if not loose them completely as client. I really believe this should be the ONLY thing cPanel employees should Work on, Think about and Dreams about (except for security issues which may be potentially a higher priority).


In short, don't read this comment, you should be working to implement IPv6 at this very moment !

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Its said to see a company lose sight of the future. This concept of IPv6 is not a new concept by any means. I highly suggest Cpanel get in gear and actually make a product and continue to make the product we will use.


Unless Cpanel figures this out, this could be the beginning of cpanel customer base switching. I for one am considering all options. Especially when companies seem not to respect the client and give an answer. It is very dissapointing.....

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11.36 is out and NO support for ipv6! Any ETA?! Its a joke!

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Cmon guys... it's now $60 a year for an IPV4 address...I was getting them for $12 before. This is just crazy. But I guess it's not your money... I mean you can say whatever, but this has been in demand for years, and now it's past last minute and it's still not here. Just no excuses for that.

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I contacted cPanel sales and spoke with a very nice young man who projected that IPv6 support was going to be available in 11.36. This was two years ago, and here we have 11.36 and IPv6 is not even mentioned in the release notes. cPanel is a great product, but it's not adapting to the challenges people are meeting in today's world. Our business has been considering migrating 900+ domains to a competitor's product that does support IPv6 (and other compelling features). I love cPanel but if I have to get the point across with my wallet, so be it.

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IPV6 support is something you should have done ages ago. Finish talking, drop the other new features and get to it ASAP. Or ppl will do the same as Michael Andrews mentioned above. Or its like sg that should be implemented by 3rd partys? is that the reason you are stalling it all this long? Or its just that its something huge that needs analyzing all the codebase you have. I get it. But its been YEARS to do so.. ..i think you should consider this as something most people are considering nowdays before buying sw.. If I'd have a chance to switch I'd do it in notime. despite the fact that cpanel support has been always really helpful..

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We just had stuck outbound email to mx1.comcast.net because they have a record representing ipv6

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It would be good to get a more up to date ETA on this.


as everyone has said version 11.36 is now out and no IPv6

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we need ipv6 please hurry

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This should have already been a high priority and if its not being worked on, then we have some serious problems we need to assess here. The realization of diminishing IPv4 address numbers should be motivation enough.

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$5 is nothing for an IP, something to keep in mind. I know plenty of providers that are charging $10-$20 a month per IP and the requirement is are that it's immediately used for SSL or it's pulled. If you can't get things in order within 24 hours, it's back to making another request.


While I definitely agree that cPanel needs to step on getting IPv6 integrated, SNI would solve this issue in the short term, or at least provide a somewhat viable solution. It may not work on XP, but at least it works. IPv6 *doesn't* work everywhere, so it's not just cPanel, ISP's need to take a leap and update their systems as well. Not all ISP's openly support IPv6 and probably won't for a while.

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NodeKi; it's not relevant which ISP's do or don't support IPv6. cPanel should have implemented it years ago.


Personally, I take offense to the fact that cPanel works on non-urgent stuff like interface design while critical matters like IPv6 still aren't implemented.

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can be done much later, many home providers still do not support ipv6

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hm... the strange is, the other, "competive product" (we all know for what am i speaking for), already supports full ipv6... This was not difficult for them, but for the cpanel developers are? its a bit strange... At least, for me... It is seems, im speaking personally always, wrong priorities... And again, it is strange, when some devs, they cant understand this: its better to be ready before some need may appear, than not ready, struggling fixing stuffs in the last time...


IPV6, soon will be a blast wave... Many things are not prepared... Cpanel must be also not prepared?

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nrm wrote:

can be done much later, many home providers still do not support ipv6
Mine do!

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As a UK based ISP, who can provide native IPv6 on all our connections, this is long overdue.

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We've already had cpanel hosting working with IPv6 since 2008 - would be good for it not to require so many hacks, scripts and includes all the time :)

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The huge amount of interest in this request says it all - I'm just amazed how little we're hearing from cPanel on the matter. Has any progress been made at all or is there still just a vague deadline up in the air?

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Is there any update from cPanel on this important issue? The last update was 3 months ago.

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Ok cPanel, just let us know. Why isn't it implemented jet and when will it be?

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Greetings, I am Phil King, the Product Owner of the Angry Llama Scrum team, which is actively working on IPv6.


For our first deliverable, we are enabling IPv6 addresses for website content. What this means is that IPv6 will find its way into Apache configuration, DNS zone files, and individual userdata files.


You can help us to build the right tools by telling us about your current needs.


1. Do your servers have IPv6 enabled currently?


2. How many IPv6 addresses are available to those servers?


One of the challenges of our project is finding a way to manage the vast number of IPv6 addresses available to a server. For example, a very common configuration is for hosting partners to provide a /64 allocation, or 2 to the 64th power of IPs (2^64). And considering that the total number of IPs in IPv4 is 2^32, we could comfortably give 4 billion users an IPv4 sized allocation and still have IPs left over.


What kind of allocations have you seen out in the wild? How many IPs would you want for your resellers, and for their cPanel users?

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Hi,


I'd like to chime in on the questions made (by the way, I am reiterating that CPanel, in my view, is handling the Feature Requests system quite abysmally - WHMCS, your close partners who copied your system, tends to actually change statuses to "Planned" or "In Progress" or even (gasp!) "Planned for X.Y. release", and I simply cannot understand why you launched such a system if you were planning to label everything as 'Open Discussion'. The forums could do pretty much the same, sorry to say.)


To the questions:


1) The datacenters we use allocate new servers with IPv6, and for older ones we can request an allocation for free. Right now, one of our 10+ servers has IPv6 addresses allocated, and uses CPanel.


2) It seems we get a /64 in all cases. I know they are a lot of IP's, but this is...the point, in IPv6.


Since a single server or even a cluster cannot accommodate tens of thousands of accounts (we could factor cloud into this, but still, there are limits related to factors such as disk usage or access, even in the cloud), I don't think there's a real issue as to "how many IP's should a reseller have". Meaning - I don't know - Even if a reseller actually received a billion of these, I don't really suppose they could use them, no more than I would use a /64 of course.


Just make the system flexible, catering for occasional "long-shots", for lack of a better term.


:)

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cpanelphil wrote:

Greetings, I am Phil King, the Product Owner of the Angry Llama Scrum team, which is actively working on IPv6.


For our first deliverable, we are enabling IPv6 addresses for website content. What this means is that IPv6 will find its way into Apache configuration, DNS zone files, and individual userdata files.


You can help us to build the right tools by telling us about your current needs.


1. Do your servers have IPv6 enabled currently?


2. How many IPv6 addresses are available to those servers?


One of the challenges of our project is finding a way to manage the vast number of IPv6 addresses available to a server. For example, a very common configuration is for hosting partners to provide a /64 allocation, or 2 to the 64th power of IPs (2^64). And considering that the total number of IPs in IPv4 is 2^32, we could comfortably give 4 billion users an IPv4 sized allocation and still have IPs left over.


What kind of allocations have you seen out in the wild? How many IPs would you want for your resellers, and for their cPanel users?

It shouldn't be any different than IPv4. Just because you can assign billions doesn't mean people should, that's simply asking for trouble. The same mentality as IPv4 should be used for IPv6. We're not going to waste IPs "just in case", and customers should not bind a /48 or /64 to a single server. It could very well still be shared IPs or dedicated for SSL. Even assuming a dedicated IPv6 per client, the server would have to be a major beast to be able to handle the load of 100k websites...

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Noone wrote:

It shouldn't be any different than IPv4. Just because you can assign billions doesn't mean people should, that's simply asking for trouble. The same mentality as IPv4 should be used for IPv6. We're not going to waste IPs "just in case", and customers should not bind a /48 or /64 to a single server. It could very well still be shared IPs or dedicated for SSL. Even assuming a dedicated IPv6 per client, the server would have to be a major beast to be able to handle the load of 100k websites...
Same here. We use on other systems normal virtual hosting on one IPv4 and one IPv6 and this works like a charm.


So begin to copy the IPv4 functionality for IPv6 and then work at easy tools for adding and distributing IPv6 IPs.


But for answer your question:

1. Yes

2. A lot, but we only bind one IPv6 currently to an server, as this is only needed. Please keep the IPv6 easy and don't chatter the IPv6. This was done in the early with IPv4 and look in what kind of mess we are in. No more public available IPv4, but lots of subnets are empty but owned by others and not public available. (And yes they also thought that IPv4 would provide enough IPs in the future, same as we think of IPv6 today).

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Thanks for your reply cpanelphil.


  1. All our server currently have a main IPv4 and IPv6 address.
  2. I think every webhost has at least it's own /64 So there are enough IPv6 addresses for everyone. We would like to give every cPanel account it's own IPv6 address.

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Add IP6 this quarter or we cancel all our cp licenses and convert to plesk which has supported IP6 since 2010

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Phil, to answer your questions... We have IPv6 disabled on our servers because of the lacking full cPanel support and it'll be on ready to roll when your team releases working support. A /64 would be standard I think.


Can we please have a timeframe here? 1.5 years ago we were quoted 11.36 support for IPv6 which was slated for the following March (which was 1 year ago now!). We need timeframes, we need your team to meet the needs of your client base. We are all paying to manage large server fleets and we feel really neglected in this area. It is disappointing to say the least.

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Talking from over 10 years of experience managing +/- 100 cPanel servers, I would like to put in my $0.02.


We have been running dual stack for about two years now. If you are willing to take off your gloves and go into the rough, you can have Exim, Bind, MySQL and Apache all running IPv6. It is however a continuous battle against your own server, which intermittently messes up the manual adjustments that are necessary to have a cPanel server do IPv6.


Even if you use all the appropriate cPanel-appointed template files, every now and then some anomaly pops up and messes up some critical config file (i.e. httpd.conf, virtual hosts losing their IPv6-data or /var/cpanel/userdata/* data corruption out of the blue). It is always something. It may work well for 6 months or 6 hours; sooner or later some glorious update will come and mess things up. We saw it with suPHP before it was adopted by cPanel and now we see it with IPv6 -- customizing a cPanel server to have it do things that are not officially supported by cPanel can be a real pain. But what can we do? Our clients expect us to be on top of the game. EU regulations basically force governments into implementing IPv6 in all their new IT-projects. So, if you want to do some serious business, IPv6 is obligatory. And yes, I am fully aware that cPanel is more of a tool for the smaller hosting environments, but there is such a thing as "the multiplier effect". If you do projects for larger organizations, public op private sector, it will attract business from its employees and other people in their network. If you ignore this fact, think small and focus merely on the needs of people running a small Wordpress blog, you'll find yourself working your ass off for a lousy dime. I don't know about you all, but that is not where I want to end up.


cPanel needs to deliver a professional cutting edge tool, that we and our customers can rely on and use as a competitive advantage. That's where the millions of dollars in licensing fees are for. This way, with cPanel shoving fundamental technical requirements aside, we might as well get ourselves some $100 lifetime DirectAdmin licenses and cut some very serious costs. By the way, that "small Wordpress blog" consumer oriented shabby control panel that I was referring to... they have native IPv6 support for some time now.


I think it was Steve Jobs who once pointed this out in one of his many speeches: "You can't just ask consumers what they want and then try to give it to them." You'll be too late. Imagine what happens if consumers feel the need to start telling you what they want and you still don't deliver..?

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Agreed it would be useful if we could get an update on this as soon as possible.

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cpanelphil wrote:

Greetings, I am Phil King, the Product Owner of the Angry Llama Scrum team, which is actively working on IPv6.


For our first deliverable, we are enabling IPv6 addresses for website content. What this means is that IPv6 will find its way into Apache configuration, DNS zone files, and individual userdata files.


You can help us to build the right tools by telling us about your current needs.


1. Do your servers have IPv6 enabled currently?


2. How many IPv6 addresses are available to those servers?


One of the challenges of our project is finding a way to manage the vast number of IPv6 addresses available to a server. For example, a very common configuration is for hosting partners to provide a /64 allocation, or 2 to the 64th power of IPs (2^64). And considering that the total number of IPs in IPv4 is 2^32, we could comfortably give 4 billion users an IPv4 sized allocation and still have IPs left over.


What kind of allocations have you seen out in the wild? How many IPs would you want for your resellers, and for their cPanel users?

Hi Phil,


I would like to leave my feedback for how we would want it. We have our own /32 IPv6 network since 2010 and are still waiting for this cPanel update.


I would prefer to allocate a subnet to a server. Any size.


Those adresses should not be assigned to an interface until it's actually needed (leaving them unreachable until assigned to something). When an account is created or when an admin wants to assign a new/specific IP for a account/domain/reseller, then the IP is assigned to the interfaces and connected to the account/domain/reseller.


This would leave the interface less messy and easier to work with. And the ISP or whoever hosts the server can in an easy way have a well organizsed plan with their subnets.


I should also mention that I think there should be a possibility for more than one subnet to be assigned. So that end-users can get addressses from different subnets.


Another nice feature would be to allow the user to select their own custom IP within the allocated subnet as long as its free.


Allocating separate subnets or reserving subnets within the "primary" subnet for reseller accounts would also be very handy. Enables you to enter that resellers info in RIPE/ARIN DB.


I would like to see all this along with a much improved IPv4 handling in a new WHM tab.


Personally about the sizes I would probably allocate a /112 per server.

Within that I would probably allocate a /120 per reseller and leave whatever is left for root-owned accounts.


Edit: It's very important that every account gets its own IP or that it's a setting in tweak settings. I would also very much prefer that mail traffic goes through their own IP (i know you already support this, but you need to think about PTR records in a good way also here). This way a banned IP for spam does not affect other customers.


Regards

Marcus

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cpanelphil wrote:

Greetings, I am Phil King, the Product Owner of the Angry Llama Scrum team, which is actively working on IPv6.


For our first deliverable, we are enabling IPv6 addresses for website content. What this means is that IPv6 will find its way into Apache configuration, DNS zone files, and individual userdata files.


You can help us to build the right tools by telling us about your current needs.


1. Do your servers have IPv6 enabled currently?


2. How many IPv6 addresses are available to those servers?


One of the challenges of our project is finding a way to manage the vast number of IPv6 addresses available to a server. For example, a very common configuration is for hosting partners to provide a /64 allocation, or 2 to the 64th power of IPs (2^64). And considering that the total number of IPs in IPv4 is 2^32, we could comfortably give 4 billion users an IPv4 sized allocation and still have IPs left over.


What kind of allocations have you seen out in the wild? How many IPs would you want for your resellers, and for their cPanel users?

My provider has IP Version 6 available at present, they normally allocate a /64 block.

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cpanelphil wrote:

You can help us to build the right tools by telling us about your current needs.


1. Do your servers have IPv6 enabled currently?


2. How many IPv6 addresses are available to those servers?


What kind of allocations have you seen out in the wild? How many IPs would you want for your resellers, and for their cPanel users?


Our servers (non-cpanel) mostly have ipv6 available. We have a /32 allocated and in use for about 4 years. We plan to provide each cpanel server with a /64. We would like to be able to split up that /64 for use for separate resellers so they can manage their own "little" block.


We are willing and looking forward to beta-testing any ipv6 functionality.


Kind regards,


Rogier

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When is this coming, it's not in 11.38 which means we won't see it until at least the end of the year now?

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Jay M wrote:

When is this coming, it's not in 11.38 which means we won't see it until at least the end of the year now?
We moved to doing major releases 3 times a year instead of once per year. As a result many of the original target publication versions are now outdated. 11.38 has already been frozen with test builds shipped to third party developers. The team working on IPv6 could be ready as soon as 11.40.

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cpanelnick wrote:

We moved to doing major releases 3 times a year instead of once per year. As a result many of the original target publication versions are now outdated. 11.38 has already been frozen with test builds shipped to third party developers. The team working on IPv6 could be ready as soon as 11.40.
Can you give us a date/month this would be expected by please?

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MichaelFindlay wrote:

Can you give us a date/month this would be expected by please?
I think it will be released in edge around September. The new version 11.38 will be released this or next month to edge. It take few months before it reach stable.

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cpanelphil wrote:

You can help us to build the right tools by telling us about your current needs.


1. Do your servers have IPv6 enabled currently?


2. How many IPv6 addresses are available to those servers?

1 - First of all the ideal tool would be to allow each server to utilize a /64 which is what you more or less get by default per server. It's more than I've ever allocated to my whole serverpark most likely, but what the heck - it's what they give us which opens up for new possibilities.

2 - The tool should allow Server administrators to give resellers a given CIDR range up to /100

3 - In addition the reseller tool will need the same ability to give their own customers up to /116

This should cover the basic needs until this can be a little more balanced. And will solve our more immediate customer as well as reseller and administrator needs.

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Any further news on IPv6 compatibility with cPanel, earlier comments say possibly release 11.40. As far as i know rival Control Panels Plesk & DirectAdmin already work with IPv6. I am using cPanel 11.36 & i have IPv6 with my VPS i cannot use with cPanel at present

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It seems like most servers are allocated a /64 or a /48 by some providers.


I can see each domain being allocated a /120, which could be used for the domain itself, subdomains and individual services. I especially see each mail server being allocated its own IP address.


Resellers could be allocated a /100, which would be enough for over a million /120's.

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currently im hacking my way around with an nginx plugin customized to my needs. this way nginx acting as a reverse proxy to apache which is listening on ipv4 addresses on different ports for different virtualhosts..

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the odd thing is that so many ISPs do not support ipv6. Instead, you use ipv6 in your house, the ISP uses ipv4 and passes it into an ipv6 system to continue the connections journey. So long as one end is supported, it should work fine.

The IPv6 rollout in the UK pretty much failed and here in the Philippines, we are still using IPv4 with no rollout date for IPv6.

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Yes and I'm probably just another nobody looking for alternatives to cPanel, thanks to their lack of progress on this issue.

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If you are coming to HostingCon in Austin next week, please stop by booth 323 to see cPanel's IPv6 demo. I want to show what the Angry Llama team has implemented so far, what we are working on currently, and discuss which IPv6 features you would like next.

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Hopefully quickly realized

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Is this still planned for 11.40?

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11.40? don't think so... it's neverending story - ipv6 in whm/cpanel. don't believe they can do this. 11.40.... nope, next years may be... )

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Linode are issuing /64 upon request by clients.


Make sure it's showing the "routed to" part.


2400:8900:e000:0000::/64 routed to 2400:8900:public:IPv6:addy


No actual IPv6 addresses where harmed in the making of this comment.


/64 I read is the common consensus for the RIR's is it ?


Mainly due to routing issues there was some big saga there I believe.


So it's a safe bet they will be staying that way until the next big change occurs.


One thing is for sure it's unreal you get grilled for dregs IPv4 CIDR these days.


And IPv6 they virtually throw at you.


Grab a piece of the action while you can because those who let their IPv4 subnets go years ago when it was the same story are now kicking themselves.


Even though we have more numbers than we know what to do with it's a bit like the IP address gold rush years.


ISP wise I know that Internode and IInet have dual stack and a lot of the other ISP's do for business only customers in a lot of cases.


A lot are still not ready yet and unless really needing to refuse to spend the extra time money or effort.


Accounting software was one issue that became apparent with one of the providers the separation of free content areas has now been sorted.


Apart from that I see a bigger rollout as prior mentioned throughout other parts of the world.


AARNET here I think is allocating our resources as it becomes more prolific.


Certainly with roll out of the NBN and such like we hope to be on tap more in the near future.


Regards from region43.

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Danila Tarasenko wrote:

11.40? don't think so... it's neverending story - ipv6 in whm/cpanel. don't believe they can do this. 11.40.... nope, next years may be... )
Howdy,


We brought a working demo of this to hostingcon. We also emailed out the edge user's list with a hint on when it will be released.


Thanks!

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Eric, do you have any video of the working demo presented at Hostingcon?

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I have this image I snapped while setting things up.

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Eric - you have thousands of people waiting for IPv6, why are you not being more transparent about what these people can expect? Before Hostingcon, you guys were talking about announcing IPv6 at Hostingcon. Now you are saying that you *HINTED* on a mailinglist when it will be released. Come on.. hint? We are not talking about hiding candy for a kid's birthday bash here, we are talking about functionality which company's continuity rely on - this isn't some sort of game. Why can't you just be transparent about what people should expect?

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Can we get test version to see how far you are and test it?

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ERIC Please if that version exist:


WHM > Update Preferences > IPv6 cPanel Test Version


With that all customer can test the version (like EDGE) with technical feedback


Thanks

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The image is very small? But if IPv6 is ready with not give more details to your clients?... ITs easy!

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Infopro wrote:

Greetings Andre,


Are you a member of the EDGE Users list?


There are no games being played here with anyone. Developer builds have been shared and ongoing conversation has been taking place as well there for some time now.


If not, you can register for that list, here:

http://cpanel.net/mailing-lists/


Thanks!

I'm not, and I did already sign up for it when Eric posted that message. But I just don't understand why this information cannot be shared here - while there are hundreds (likely thousands) of people watching this page, waiting for more info. It's not like we are talking about some cutting edge secret technology that needs to be kept away from the public to keep a competitive advantage.

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Howdy,


The feature is not yet merged to a version and with our previous history with IPv6 I would like to avoid an unreasonable commitment. Also this was ment to be a conversation started to get early adopters like yourself to join the edge-users list.


Thanks!

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Hi


i can't understand if that version exist, why today is not available to Test??


WHM > Update Preferences > IPv6 cPanel Test Version


or your team wait the Hostingcon ?, and then the implementation?

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Plesk I hear already supports IP6. So, maybe it's time to dump cpanel and switch with our DC charging $5/IP4

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cPanel have more users/admin than other (plesk, direct admin)because that i believe cPanel don't worry about that, we hope cPanel show the test IPv6 Test version


i wait the answer about WHM > Update Preferences > IPv6 cPanel Test Version

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Is not this case because cPanel's employee request info about the feature IPv6, in that case if your team have a Test version may be can show that and user like me or others can test this and sent feedback, because that i request the test version, if exist what is the problem? or we must wait more.. i remember this must be finish in 11.36


don't angry with me


thanks

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Detlef Bracker wrote:

Expl. in cPanel errors in the game-server too, we have reported and other users too - no reaction to solve the problems!

Regards

1awww.com - Internet-Service-Provider


Detlef Bracker

Hi Detlef,


We looked though our ticket system, and could not find any tickets from you on the game server issues. We would love the opportunity to help resolve these issues. Would you please open a ticket at https://tickets.cpanel.net/review/login.cgi?redirect=/submit/


Thanks

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system1351 wrote:

Is not this case because cPanel's employee request info about the feature IPv6, in that case if your team have a Test version may be can show that and user like me or others can test this and sent feedback


thanks

Hi system1351,


We generally do not release test builds beyond third party developers and integrators until the project has reached a state that will not place a significant support burden on the team developing the project. We definitely do not want a situation where we leave customers hanging or slow down the progress of the project because the team is attempting to handle the support for the project.

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We are a hosting provider and ISP in the UK.

With the exception of the machines running cpanel, our entire infrastructure is fully IPv6 ready, with native IPv6 available for our broadband customers.


PLEASE give us some way to see and perhaps help you test ipv6 support.

Whether you add a new release tier, lets says "Edge - ipv6" with the changes merged or however you want to do this is up to you.


However we NEED this functionality now, as we are now starting to assign IP's from our last ever allocation of 1024 ipv4's.


We would love to be able to say that as a company we are fully IPv6 ready, however so long as we continue to use cPanel we cannot do that.


As for Erics comment

"with our previous history with IPv6 I would like to avoid an unreasonable commitment"

Your current commitment (or seeming lack of it) is what I consider unreasonable!

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cpanelphil wrote:

If you are coming to HostingCon in Austin next week, please stop by booth 323 to see cPanel's IPv6 demo. I want to show what the Angry Llama team has implemented so far, what we are working on currently, and discuss which IPv6 features you would like next.
And for those of us not even in the states?

I would like to see a detailed demo of the IPv6 changes we can see coming... many screenshots, videos, blogs, whatever.

The 2 screenshots of whatever it was you were showing off at hostingcon just doesnt cut it!

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Greetings again, I am Phil King, the Product Owner of the Angry Llama Scrum team, which is actively working on IPv6.


Here is a link to a brief demo of the IPv6 features we have completed to date. Our focus thus far has been on enabling IPv6 on website content.


http://vimeo.com/69093666


Our IPv6 work is currently targeted for cPanel WHM version 11.40.


We are currently working on tools to better handle multiple IPv6 ranges or subnets. This will enable the customers that want to break up a large allocation (e.g., a /64) into smaller ranges, and also assists the customer that gets only a handful of IPv6 addresses.


As soon as we are finished with this feature, we will be publishing a test build to next.cpanel.net. I will provide more details on this as we get closer to that date.


With a few months of development time before our internal 11.40 deadline, now would be a great opportunity to let me know which features you would like to see next. The linked Google spreadsheet below lists upcoming features. For each feature, you can let me know how you feel if the feature were present, and how you feel if the feature were absent.


http://go.cpanel.net/ipv6survey


And I leave you with these questions. Take a look at your most heavily populated servers. How many users are there? How many bound IPv4 addresses do you have currently? And are your servers prepared for each of those users to have a dedicated bound IPv6 address?

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Just in case it slipped by Cpanel... some other server managers have IPv6 and people are jumping ship, leaving Cpanel because even as Cpanel prices have come down, IPv4 prices have gone way up, making it cheaper to provide IPv6 IP's to customers on CPs that might even be more expensive.


Yes, your loyal customers are unhappy on this issue, and don't assume everyone is so loyal they will wait and wait for you to do it. You are surely losing customers with this delay.


I like Cpanel for many reasons, and like others, I'm loyal and waiting, but I have to look at the bottom line too, and your delays are costing many users money month after month.

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We have an alpha build of our 11.40 IPv6 work available to EDGE users.


If you are interested in trying this alpha release and sending feedback, I encourage you to join our EDGE users mailing list. You may ask to subscribe to this list here:

http://mail.cpanel.net/mailman/listinfo/edge-users_cpanel.net


Then, if you are already a cPanel license holder, and you have a non-production server or VM to spare, you can try out this alpha build.


I want to emphasize that this is an alpha build, and not intended to be used on production servers.


Join the EDGE users mailing list, and then take a look over last week's IPv6 thread:

http://mail.cpanel.net/mailman/private/edge-users_cpanel.net/2013-August/004693.html

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Nice! Do you have a rough indication of when you expect it'll be available in the release and stable tiers?

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Who would downvote this?

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Signed up for the Webinar on Sept 19 yet? If not, you should. :)

http://go.cpanel.net/1140webinar

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Will it be possible to watch that webinar afterwards?

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The Webinar will be recorded and posted on a later date. We ill be answering question during the webinar. So tune in to interact with our team.

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Please keep in mind that the first release of IPv6 support is not the final release.

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Can you blog screen shots and features please?

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I love that you're implementing IPv6 since Google is now using it when possible (mostly Gmail), but it's not usable if you don't add a Shared IPv6 Address that's compatible with the SPF feature.


A lot of customers complain that when they enable SPF their e-mails get marked as Spam since cPanel doesn't add the IPv6 address of the server on the SPF (it doesn't even have an ip6 option to add it without editting the DNS's), and also, I don't want to buy one IP for each customer, I want to add all my shared accounts on a shared IPv6 as the IPv4 one.


Please, add IPv6 shared functionality and also SPF compatible IPv6 on the next release !

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Silent Ninja wrote:

I love that you're implementing IPv6 since Google is now using it when possible (mostly Gmail), but it's not usable if you don't add a Shared IPv6 Address that's compatible with the SPF feature.


A lot of customers complain that when they enable SPF their e-mails get marked as Spam since cPanel doesn't add the IPv6 address of the server on the SPF (it doesn't even have an ip6 option to add it without editting the DNS's), and also, I don't want to buy one IP for each customer, I want to add all my shared accounts on a shared IPv6 as the IPv4 one.


Please, add IPv6 shared functionality and also SPF compatible IPv6 on the next release !

To be honest, I don't believe IPv6 should have made it to the release branch already - too many bugs and annoyances to start using it for our customers already. Of course our customers are now asking us to start offering it since they read that cPanel released it.


Such a pity, because all we can do is tell them that we're awaiting important bugfixes in a future release before we can enable IPv6 for our customers.

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IPV6 support is totally unnecessary.


There are 170x170x170x170 ips in the world. Thats a whopping 1 Billion ips.


No way we need IPV6

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