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Powerful Web Builder

petru shared this idea 7 years ago
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After a couple of days of looking for Web Builders for My Clients. I noticed that there is not 1 Web Builder out there that can integrate with WHM and be at least Easy enough and Powerful enough for a computer novice to use.


If cPanel were to create a Powerful tool like this, It would be a huge step for cPanel. The reason I say this is because most of today's Websites are built on Platforms Such as Wix or Weebly. Because they are simple to use. If a cPanel Host like myself could offer the same or similar service to users at a much more competitive price it would surely grow sales in Licences for cPanel.


Something that is Drag and Drop, Easy to upload Images, Easy to see interface and Navigation.

Ability to Create a SQL Database for Blogging within the Builder but at the Same time make it simplified to the User. And also have a few Pre Made Templates that Users can Edit. If it could also take advantage of Ajax, CSS3 and HTML5. Im sure people would pay lots of money for Licences to have one on their Server.

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Yes, this is extremely needed. There is only two web builders now; rv site builder and trendy tools. Both are complicated and have complicated templates.


Weebly has a great site builder but only as an affiliate program.


We need something like weebly, simple, but modern and professional that will work as a plug in for our cpanel customers. And yes we will pay for this.


Just a note we need to be able to add our own templates and please focus on modern simplicity if you pull the trigger.


Thanks!

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+1 for this. It has to compete with the likes of wix/weebly/squarespace.

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While I would love this, I'm not sure it's up to cpanel to do this as it implies providing webdesign templates etc.


Maybe cpanel could do something like negociate a contract with one of the big players that charge a fortune and are only interested in big companies to implement their software as a self hosted solution inside cpanel.


We've tried various solutions and were never satisfied by and cpanel compatible website builders.


Because of this we encourage our customers to use Wordpress and help them with the initial setup.


This is not the easiest solution of users with little experience and envolves work on our side too, it is however the best solution we have found.


We will soon ne looking into creating our own solution but this will take alot of time.

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I'm exactly where you're at monarobase! Wordpress is the best application overall but it requires time and energy upfront. It'd be so nice to have a weebly type plugin. It doesn't even have to be exactly as good as weebly but just close enough. I've found trendy tools to be the closest so far and I think they're getting better in the past months, but it's still lacking as a hands-off, no brainer, turn key website building solution for hosting companies and customers.


I think the only way this feature could actually come true is like what you said...cpanel would have to team up with a high end group. (Possibly Trendy tools) since they're the closest...or even Wordpress would be cool too! ie. when a hosting account is setups, customer clicks the wordpress button in cpanel and it auto installs a pre-packaged wordpress instance onto their hosting space. Either cpanel or wordpress would create and maintain this customized version of Wordpress, that requires no setup or maintenance by us. We currently use installatron which installs wordpress, and it works...but there is so much still needing setup after it's installed. Like permalinks, designated homepage, menus, easy logo management, mandatory plugins, jquery homepage sliders, a stunning theme to start out and impress customer vs twenty thirteen or whatever etc...


I know I could do this now, but it'd be up to me to keep it updated and figure out a way to install it auto.


I'll contact Trendy and see if they have been trying at all to work with Cpanel. Trendy needs to integrate better with cpanel, and it needs to simplify their themes and work on their support. Other than that they'd be perfect I think for this application too.

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What's everyone's opinion of how Github Pages work? (content generation from markdown)

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can you explain more? I don't know what that is.

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After configuring (or designing) a template, the user create content for their site by creating files on disk. After the content is complete, the website page is generated from that file and rendered into that template.


https://pages.github.com/

It's an implementation of a "static site generator" called http://jekyllrb.com/

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cPanelAdamF wrote:

What's everyone's opinion of how Github Pages work? (content generation from markdown)
I think this way off track, what is needed is something a kid or person with no computer experience. Wix and Weebly has done a good job for this. Really we just need a basic version of something like those. Form based information, choose a template, upload images add text, all with little or no addional options. Ideally it would be a one page form, that creates the site when you click submit.

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Jekyllrb could be be a nice base for this. It would need to have a non markdown version so users could switch from richtext to markdown.


I like the idea as a basis.

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This is really needed to WHM!!!

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Hi my name is Chris Sheridan and I am with the Weebly BD team. We just launched a reseller program for web hosts. The program allows Hosts to resell Weebly via api or through our cpanel plugin. Feel free to contact me directly for more info. csheridan@weebly.com

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At TrendyTools.com we strive to offer better site builders for hosting community. However there are many challenges we have to overcome such as seamless publishing or pricing etc. We want to be the preferred site builder for cPanel. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Chris, your reseller system doesn't allow hosts to host the files. Most webhosts don't want to resell your hosting. If you create a plugin that allows hosts to manage sites on their servers we would defenetly sign up.


Trendytools, we looked into using your tool but it was too complicated as it tried to do too many things and when we checked out your product last time we couldn't find information about your company like address, legal status and we only work with companies that don't hide who they are.

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TrendyTools.com wrote:

At TrendyTools.com we strive to offer better site builders for hosting community. However there are many challenges we have to overcome such as seamless publishing or pricing etc. We want to be the preferred site builder for cPanel. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I want to add my $.02. I checked the WHOIS record for trendytools.com and noticed it was privacy protected. I cannot think of any reason a legitimate company offering products/services such as yours would hide themselves in this manner. Please explain.

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I would love to just have a really simple template based web builder that we can add our own templates too. So many customers just need a simple page for their band or real estate, ect... Would love to have something a person with no experiance could use very very simply.

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We need cPanel to release webbuilder asap. We have so many customers unhappy with 3rd party website builders including trendytools, weebly, site.pro, breezi etc. cPanel can make so much money with thier own builder $$$$ what's the hold up!? :)

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My team is currently developing a feature we've come to call 'Easy Sites' which enables users to render customized sites from Site Templates. A Site Template can be as simple as a single page or as complex as whole site. We are hoping to work with external designers to build amazing Site Templates for users to chose from (however, in the first release Site Templates may be pretty simple). Additionally you will be able to build and deploy your own Site Templates for your users as well.


We are intentionally avoiding WYSIWYG editors in the end-user-experience because...quite frankly...we couldn't find one we liked. Instead, users will fill out content and provide images for specific uses and the Site Template Designers will provide all of the presentation specifics. When rendered onto disk, Sites built from Site Templates can be as simple as flat-file HTML or a full php application or really anything.

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Excellent news Adam! I created a thread at - Removed -

Hopefully that will help bump the votes up for this so it has higher priority... so many are annoyed by existing website builders that don't work well enough with cPanel. Do doubt cPanel will release a better builder which is easier to use and has better templates over time.

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We'll be posting previews of how the whole feature will work on the blog. I need to make sure everyone understands that the first release of this is extremely simple and straight-forward. Pick the domain you want to use. pick the site template you want to use. Provide your content. Push publish and done.

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I like the sound of this ! Sound's perfect for the company that want's a quick website. I find full wysiwig too complicated for end users that aren't used to these types of tools.

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Sounds good we don't expect all bell and whistles with first release so no pressure. There was issue with last thread. The working link is http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1550207 so can also discuss Easy Sites in that thread too. Thanks, Chris

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Woo! :) Can't wait to see what's released.

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Great news, our issue is the current web builders are still to hard to use for most people. If possible try to pretend you have never built a site and could use this tool to make one with no prior experience with web building. Good luck and thanks!

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Like a plugin site.pro. It is friendly to intergrate to cPanel.

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There are plenty of other site builders, wished cPanel worked towards making core features better and faster, instead of trying to be everything.

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We have tried every site builder and none work well. All are confusing and have several errors when published. Old templates, the list goes on.

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We have also tried every builder out there, and they are just downright awful and off-the-mark of what the average customer wants. The closest one to being usable is Kopage.com. At $25/mo per server, the cost is reasonable. Pages are hosted on your server, and integrates fairly well with cPanel. My biggest complaint with Kopage is that it's not simple enough for the average user (in my opinion) and the stock templates are way too flashy, complicated for the small customers we have.


The customers I deal with have very basic needs. They want a home page with an optional slider/slide show, maybe some sub-pages, a contact form, a photo gallery, Google Map iframe to find the business, maybe PayPal shopping cart integration. WordPress is out of the question... they are overwhelmed with it and it is burdensome to support them, from a hosting perspective. Plus, they usually install too many plugins, and never update anything, eventually getting hacked.


Weebly's partner program was looking good until they changed the rules and now require a $500 per month minimum payment, which rules out many small hosts.


I'm looking forward to the basic page builder from cPanel (was called 'Easy Sites', now called 'Site Publisher') -- having another option for customers is always a good thing! I'm afraid this will be too simple / too feature limited for what our customers need.


The company that really had this right was SiteZen... an extremely easy to use drag-and-drop builder, based on javascript and Perl. cPanel bought them, but decided that it needed too much work to be modernized, and eventually dropped it. We still have customers using this old builder, and it still serves their needs fairly well, although it's not mobile friendly and has some quirks as browsers have been updated, but the product has not.


There is definitely a market opportunity for a SIMPLE drag and drop builder out there. I guess I'm dreaming...


- Scott

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>>Weebly's partner program was looking good until they changed the rules and now require a $500 per month minimum payment, which rules out many small hosts. <<


I agree. and I think this now lends a hand to this request making it more important than ever. Cpanel if you created something OR figure out an easy way to partner with weebly, wix, or squarespace in some fashion that would be awesome! or start back up the builder that you bought ...didnt know about sitezen.

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We get asked for this a lot - Interestingly, WHMCS (who cPanel own some? all of?) have partnered with Weebly in their next version..


https://marketplace.whmcs.com/connect/website-builder

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